Get him to chase you instead." That is good friendly advice but there's a little more to it than that. A lot of times he may have hinted you before that there was something that bothered him. Giving him space will also give you the opportunity to make him miss you and see how much value you add to his life. Soup kitchens. What is it that he doesnt like anymore and related to your relationship together? He explains that his current girlfriend has a dog that she kept after she and her ex broke up. Count me in with the DTMFA crowd. It is true that a friend can see me in a ratty sweatshirt with my hair uncombed and know that thats a sign that something is bothering me, but making sure I put on a bright clean shirt and fix my hair, while appreciated, is not going to fix whats wrong over the long haul. I did not in fact give up he left me. He asked why I was doing that and I said: Im afraid youll feel not depressed and Ill miss it! He startled me by laughing and assured me that when he wasnt feeling depressed that Id know it. http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/77777760800/, https://captainawkward.com/2011/11/05/question-130-my-partner-is-depressed-and-i-am-drowning/, https://captainawkward.com/2013/01/05/429-430-when-depression-is-contagious/, Follow CaptainAwkward.com on WordPress.com. Why dont we call it quits, then, and see if somebody else might not make you happier?. The thing is, it doesnt sound like he wants you to be better, despite what he says. Those things are part of who we are, and we accept that in each other. It sounds to me as if you have some clarity on what would be helpful to you. But I guess its cool because he never got DIVORCED *gasp*. I have been with my husband for 23 years, and he is chronically clinically depressed. If he realizes how much fun his girlfriend is and misses the way she used to make him laugh all the time, hell come crawling back to you. Boyfriend stopped calling me cute pet names. He says I need to do more, try harder, and not let myself be comfortable., are moreRed Flags. Comfort from a relationship is something you are allowed to want. I hope you find your way to a nagging-free home, one way or another. Do you want to be with someone who never likes you for you? The human incarnation of depression is just what I was thinking. renovate the bathrooms, start an advice columnit doesnt have to be terrible. One more reason for doing so, as soon as its possible. I know hes great and all LW, but everything I read about him makes me twitch. All the love and respect in the world, dear Terrible. I think you are going to be just fine and that you know what is best for you. The LW stops loving him I had already tried eight bazillion types of tea. I am so mad at you for having cancer! See the problem? You wrote: Im in therapy to recover and get to a place where I think that Im good enough & love and trust myself again (after years growing up having that constantly undermined) . What happened to the man who always knew what to say and how to make it all better? Oh LW that dude is not being nice to you. Most girls take at least an hour, and then they are more than happy to make their man wait for them. A lot of the time, people feel like they need a Big Serious Reason (like I caught him bonking my sister or he burned my entire book collection then peed on the ashes) to dump someone. Cosigned. But Im definitely not saying you need to DTMF right away. How does this affect you? is a lot nicer than what Id end up saying. What he meant to communicate was like Lets try this thing together! or Im trying this thing and Im loving it! but it came out as How about you do this thing? He was reluctant to agree to stop giving advice, because it was painful and frustrating for him to watch me go through depressive periods and be unable to help. My Jerkbrain doesnt do encouraging, whereas it is full of advice for how I can do better, much of it pretty rude. Does he want you to be happy and comfortable in your own body; or is he looking for A Girlfriend Who Matches The Public Beauty Ideal? And its difficult for you to explain this to him, because the Depression Demons are whispering that hes right, so you feel guilty and emotional about it all; so then its Emotional You v Logical Him and things get horrible very quickly. Anyhow, LW, this guy is probably a whole wagon load of NOPE for you. He sounds like a couple dudes Ive known in that he likes to be a fixer, which is not inherently a horrible quality in a person. Assuming that he doesn 't have a hormone issue, a man who is attracted to a woman will probably want to have sex. In my experience, that kind of mindset is tough to crack. Your boyfriends Exercise more! Another sign your boyfriend has stopped making an effort is that you start doubting whether he really loves, cares, and wants to be with you. (sadly I live in the UK and our sun is not plentiful enough!). I just sit there with a BMI of 40 and a face like this . Heres some signs your relationship is over in all but name and Facebook status: It may seem like a good thing if you and your man never fight, but take it from a dude I never want to be wrong. LW, if you want the thoughts of a former terrible girlfriend, mine are: Your boyfriend isnt concerned about you. It is better to be on your own than to have the weight of someone elses expectations on you. Its always so much easier to see things from an objective perspective when one is looking in from the outside. They are tools that we need to use precisely because we always have our biases clouding our judgment, and they help us cut through those to get to the essential facts. Former generations have never been as straightlaced about sex and love as they, or their descendants, want us to believe. #687: My boyfriend wont stop trying to fix me. There are other ways to address issues without him going cold on you. We need a comfortable place to regroup after a challenge, to process the growth, to relax. To be honest, I almost wonder if he said that because he felt he needed to say something (because maybe peanut-butter and chocolate chip sandwiches arent the most common meal and sometimes its hard not to comment on that?) This is a guy who hasnt figured out that nagging doesnt work despite all kinds of evidence to the contrary. Work. We dont need to split up so I wanted to highlight that things dont need to be The Worst for you to decide a particular behavior needs to stop. I had a boyfriend like that once. My husband is at his parents place this weekend, and the first thing I did was make two meals worth of GF pasta with homemade red sauce my husband is diabetic, and the GF pasta does a number on his blood sugar, so we very rarely eat it. LW, as someone who struggles with depression with a spouse who struggles with depression, heres what concerns me about your letter: Your boyfriend is expecting you to be accountable to a list of tasks hes set, rather than treating you with compassion and helping you help yourself. But in my mind, that state of challenge turns into a nightmare if thats ALL youre doing. The thing to watch for is a change in how they behave. I know it's hard - especially when you love a guy who keeps pushing you away - but it's crucial to loosen your grip. You really loved him for the way he was always kissing you on your face, holding your hand when crossing a busy street, or shopping in a supermarket. When its not great, things like this are no longer handled delicately If hes yelling at you over small things, there is no way his head is still in it. I get the feeling that even if LW does everything the boyfriend wants, and eats all her veggies and does a few triathlons and gets a job modeling for Vogue and is elected President of the Universe, there will always still be something else for him to criticize. You've forgotten your dreams. http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/77777760800/. What can I do for them?, Im sad because the person I love is being sad at me, and it would be so much easier if they were happy. After that I dated someone briefly who dismissed everything thing I pointed to as evidence of our vast incompatibility with the shibboleth that relationships take work! Yes, they do take tending and attention, but working on our relationship isnt going to fix things like your habit of borrowing money from me and never paying it back or getting angry when I need time alone. The Silent Treatment is a HUGE red flag for me. Stop Trying to Fix Your Partner's Feelings Kyle Benson Instead of trying to change or fix the feelings of the person you love, focus on connecting with them. A lot of writing (calling, whatever) to advice people seems to be this. Well here are some tips what to do when your boyfriends stop texting. The author begins by explaining that he is currently dating a woman who he's been with for some time. He used to love visiting your family, friends and all the places you like going to. It also reads a bit like hes trying to control her looks as opposed to her happiness, though again, my vision may be a bit skewed here. Being supportive is hard. My great-grandfather had families in the UK, Germany and Australia, none of whom were aware of each other until Facebook. There were plenty of other things wrong with our relationship, but I was super-duper in love with him except that now I realize the person I ACTUALLY liked, loved, and respected was the imaginary version of him that lived in my head. Dumping him when it became clear hed rather boss me around than support me! If I lean my head the other way, I can see a guy who is panicking about his partner being depressed and going about it all wrong. Im also sure you have some great things in common and that you have fun together sometimes and that the relationship works some of the time, or you wouldnt have stayed this long. Oddly enough, moving from a high-stress environment full of people trying to manipulate and fix me, and having a constant build up of pressure from JerkBrain on a loop of You promised you wouldnt, you cant let them down theyll be angry to a place where I was told Im aad that people bullied and shamed you, you have complete control of your own body and mind, and there is nothing to be ashamed of pretty much stopped it overnight. didnt care to be badgered about things and it needed to stop. What do I do? (snort) Sounds like Mr/Ms Relationships Take Work! had filtered that phrase through the English-to-Jerklanguage translator and was interpreting it along the lines of Relationships take work, so I can totally expect Commander Banana to work on not minding about the money zie owes me never being paid back, and am hence absolved of having to do any of the work of becoming the sort of person who actually pays loans back., I wrote in to CA a little under a year ago (letter #568) and was floored when I read your letter this morning, because there was a lot of the same The Helper and the One Who Needs Help dynamic in me and my fiancs relationship at the time when it came to dealing with my anxiety and driving-related PTSD (FWIW, things are a LOT better now, although it took a few tough conversations to get him to see how messed up some of the stuff he was doing was.). As a friend once wisely told me, theres a difference between helping each other grow and one person pointing out your flaws in detail after knowing you so intimately with the excuse that its supposed to help. True story: I knew I needed to break up with my exboyfriend when I started composing Captain Awkward letters in my head. One of the most aggravating things for me is that I dont naturally have positive regard for my body outside of what it can do I think I so completely absorbed the idea that I was physically unattractive as a young person that some kind of athleticism seemed like the only remaining possibility for my body to have any kind of worth. This! Its all a blur of low-level bad or just unsatisfying, without anything kicking you in the ass to say GET OUT OF THERE. Thankfully, I like to cook, and shell eat anything I put in front of her except fish, so getting a healthy meal into her is relatively easy. LW, Im not sure if what worked for me would work for you it requires a baseline of respect that your boyfriend seems to lack. Another script LW may want to try: How does this affect you? In the examples in the letter, the answer would probably be not at all which should make the boundary more clear. Don't reach out to his ex. What he isnt doing for you anymore is working to make the relationship work! 2010 The Thought & Expression Company, LLC. If he reacts poorly, or if LW feels unable to give advice because he claims that means theyre unsupportive (an only-to-real double standard), then that is key information and likely points to the impending doom of the relationship. I have one word for you, LW. It sounds like you two have a chance. It also sounds like massive hyperbole. The focus is making me incredibly uncomfortable, though. Can I have a word of encouragement when you have a moment?, hell send me a You can do this or I believe in you when he gets the chance, which is all I really need. Realize that you cannot change your partner's behavior. It seems unwise even if someone asked me to do it, let alone unsolicited. 3 Turn-Ons & Major Turn-Offs, 3 Reasons Why Men Pull Away (And 1 Way To Win Him Back). And I think thats a super sweet thing to do, because sometimes we need explicit cues from others that they care about us and arent secretly frowning at us. Dating you is a privilege you get to grant people, not a burden someone is doing you the favour of shouldering. Yeah, he sounds like the things my Jerkbrain says when I am doing a really good job in my life and my asshole brains like YEAH well, itll never be good enough, SO! He also sounds like the physical (/verbal) manifestation of Compulsive Skin Picking which is *literally* a process by which I pick myself apart. Annnnnd, suddenly I understand why my husband is forever puttering about in the garden. Feeling frustrated with behaviors that contribute to a bad situation? This was more the province of all the callow youths back in college defending obviously indefensible positions for the sake of argument. He is not playing Logick Master, he is just trying to figure out if things make freakin sense. I wish our society did not have such a negative view of women who have low moods. And whats wrong with your alphabet, here, let me prioritize those letters for you. But this is what worried me most when I read your letter. The Captain makes some excellent points and the writer would do well to consider them seriously. And when I broke up with him that was what I told him. If he does answer, sometimes it takes a while unlike before where there were never more than two rings on the line before he picked up now it can take five or six rings! A big factor in that was that I saw her problems as easy to fix by doing X where my own were much more complicated (in my mind). A Redditor has been slammed online for trying to dictate to their sister's boyfriend how they should eat their dinner. Not. THIS. If he really has your best interests at heart, both of you will benefit; if not, you at least will have the benefit of setting those boundaries. Dont be accusatory or judgmental when you do this. It may well be correct that he loves her, and it may well be correct that *part* of his motivation is to help her do what he knows she wants to do. If he comes back, then great but if not, dont be surprised or disappointed. Do with that information what you will. Or bringing you vegetable soup when youre too depressed to cook? He seems quieter than usual Your conversations are brief, and he doesn't appear to be as interested in your life anymore. but wanted to make sure you knew he wasnt judging/minding/caring about your choice of snack. He often works in the context of a committed marriage, where the couple really do want to stay together, but the skills can be used in any romantic relationship, even w/ if the goal were very clear communication rather than trying to save a marriage. He is avoiding it. You know the fight that led to the end of our relationship? Anonymous: Anonymous wrote:Asexual people are asexual- they don't want sex even when the relationship is new and exciting. He just got bored, moved country and started again without divorcing. You can also find out through careful observation of his actions. He still has episodes but they are further apart and not as bad when they happen, because a big chunk of the emotional part of his depression was seated in a feeling of helplessness, and owning his own stuff made him feel competent. You are healing, why shouldnt your home and your relationship be a place you can feel comfortable? Apologise, and never say that to me again.. Usually in the interest of my mental and physical health, but also a little bit because living with someone who has panic attacks can be exhausting especially when they dont always take the best care of themselves (guilty). Dont. I think this is great advice. All couples fight but if every single argument ever leads only to him feeling like you dont want to work on it, then that is definitely something for the two of you to discuss. +1 absolutely, always. You know way better than any of us how useful this phrase will be. Run. 1. (Why cant the government just ask married or not married? Make sure his action matches whatever he tells you. 3. Its a bit like regaining your sense of smell after a bad cold: not the sign that youre fully healed, but you are going to be ok. Dynamitochondria, I really have nothing useful to add to that link, except I have been there, and it sucks. Im a grown ass adult and he still tries to do things like that to me. Boyfriend, I have my therapist for coaching & helping me develop. Theyre angry with the situation, but love & respect their partner. They seem impatient What really helped was finding a partner with previous SI issues who said Do what you need to do to feel better. Designate a time to have a conversation just the two of you. Obviously YMMV, but Ive added that to my ever expanding list of red flags, right after people who proudly announce that they have no filter!! Aargh, accidentally hit reply before done editing. Its ok to challenge yourself sometimes and then hang out in your comfortable space! Because Im sure youve got enough I shoulds running through your head without him adding to the list. He used to love spending time with you and he always had a smile on his face when the two of you were together. "Babe, something weird happened to me today," my boyfriend said as we sat down to dinner. It seems to be the get-out-of-jail-free card for everyones tactless remarks and dumbass behaviour. I have learned to back way off, although he tends to not to interact much at his worst and I have a hard time dealing with that. Low self-esteem. (I dont think its as uncommon as people would have you think.). One cannot Straw Vulcan of Superior Reasoning their way into ones partner conforming exactly to ones own standards both internally and externally. If you need something short and sweet to say to your BF to stop the mansplaining, and to allow a moment for your brain to get into gear, try this: Thus: No. Like, does he have any evidence on which to base this idea that you actually can change people? He says that he still loves me even if I dont do these things (but it doesnt feel that way to me). you can do it! the whole time. If you are depressed, and your partner likes and loves you, theres a real risk they too will experience some sadness that could develop into depression. For example, the LWs partner can say, Hey, want to play tag with me later?, want to go kite-flying?, Lets make smoothies!, Shall we tape sponges to our feet today and pretend were in a roller derby? or insert other fun thing here that gets the job done. Your bf is trying to make you break up with him. It says hes putting himself and his comfort ahead of your joint comfort together, and also your personal comfort and enjoyment of your own life. This is fine isnt good enough when it comes to relationships, IMO. If you were kind of hiding from them because you were depressed and have shame about how long its been, let it go. When I eventually gave up, it was because I was totally sick of being a smoker and I wanted to be a non-smoker more than I wanted that next cigarette. Try Meetup.com, a class, finding an exercise buddy who is at your level and who likes to do the same stuff you like, volunteering. Youve clearly already worked out some helpful things. I feel bad about the situation, but deep down, Im also wondering if I have a chance to be her rebound. The first thing you need to do is figure out what's bothering him or if he has a problem that isn't about you. Weve broken up now and I think its safe to say were both much, much happier. Its okay to stay, BUT IT IS ALSO OKAY TO GO. If I tell him I already did, he tells me that walking doesnt count, that it needs to be more strenuous exercise. He never seemed to understand that these personality traits conflictedor at least, they conflicted in me, for us. It didnt make it easy, but it helped, and it showed support. Also, I think its wonderful you put food down in front of her. Or is he blaming his own ambivalence about the relationship on you and your past depression? Your current boyfriend sounds a bit like my first one. When you were sick, it was probably easy for him to get you to do what he wanted. Ding! If this seems like the case for your boyfriend then give him some space by taking a step back yourself. Make it clear to your boyfriend that you don't like it when he talks to her. See if there are ways you can make some of the self-care you want her to do easier. Wow, what a trainwreck/mindfuck. Taking emotions out of decision making is actually a highly irrational approach. Hlep is that thing that looks like help and is presented in a context that would normally surround helpuntil you blink and look again and realize that it isnt help at all. People who get controlling about appearance are the pits. Sometimes she gives me general approval to do something if shes having a rough time (food check-ins) and other things only count as very specific situational approval that has to be renewed any time I do it (phoning her psych, removing sharp objects). Did you eat at any cool restaurants on your trip? Hey, I just want to make sure you are eating your vegetables. Im actually the boss of that, and I dont want to run my food intake by you anymore, thanks. That means no vegetables, I guess. He will always be someone who has a history of serious self harm, who has anxiety and gets very low mood crashes. Thank you for getting me out of the house!. When things improve, can the caretaker let go and not calcify your roles into The Helper and The One Who Needs Help? When I was in a very similar situation, my ex could talk for days about how my not meeting his standards affected him. Gastrointestinal distress. etc.). And he tried to change me, too (although I was worse): he was always trying to get me to relax more, to spend less time working and instead build my schedule around him. Reasonable. This doesnt sound like theyre frustrated, and it doesnt sound like theyre experiencing personal distress. But, as I pointed out, were different people. 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