I flew for 16 years in the Air Force with a known heart murmur that I know would preclude me form a civilian 1st class. I was not asked or tested for alertness. However, the overriding principle here is that if you intentionally falsify your medical and are discovered, then you are done permanently. No he should not have been grounded. Needless to say, I passed. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. Lying on the medical is usually unnecessary in order to keep flying, and has such potentially dire consequences for ones life, family, and finances that its not worth the risk. You have to be careful what you ask for. To self certify? Stay up to date with the latest articles and selections from our archives. Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. Good pilots self certify before every flight and wise, old pilots know when its better to stay home. If this is a recurrent problem, getting a class 3 medical can be difficult. There's also the possibility that the results of a blood or urine test will expose a condition you tried to hide. Typical government bull-. Thats a great question, Ben. Often it is not a case of pilots intentionally lying or withholding information that can get them into trouble, but ignorance of what they need to report. During an FAA medical, a urine test will take place that checks sugars and protein levels. Governmental overkill? That would shut them down for good. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. Who gave the FAA the power to stop pilots from flying because they take antidepressants? They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. WOW they had a conniption, and I lost my ticket for several months while they dithered. Anyone could take the drug and get behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler, a Cat D-11, a speedboat, you get the idea. However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. In my case I have never lied, but if Im at risk of loosing my license for a medical condition that is under control I might do that also. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. Now I prefer Wingwalking. If the FAA ever decides to search to see if he is taking any prescription medications (which they dont do often, but they have the ability to do), they will most likely pull his medical permanently for falsification. Everyone at some point or another you all have been diagnosed with something. Those marathons at age 26 paid off. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. Where is the limit to government infringement? I hesitated to contact the FAA as I didnt want to deprive this man of his dream to be a pilot but the risk of harm to himself and to others was greater than His Dream so I sent a detailed letter. Congress should forbid the FAA from requiring any medical for recreational flying. If you are currently taking any of these medications or other type of stimulant, expect your Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) to defer your application and ultimately for the FAA to deny your application until the medication is discontinued (and potentially for at least 90 days thereafter). In everyones childhood years a lot of people are diagnosed with child Asthma so come on people who is the one really lying here YOU ARE. I went to my own doctor who advised me it was nothing to worry about. Learn more here: thepilotlawyer.com/faa-medical/. ALTHOUGH IF I HAD ONE LITTLE INKLING OF BEING UNSAFE I WOULD QUIT. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. There are are more decisions that have to be made while driving than flying. Before treatment, when I was sleepy, FAA wasnt concerned. We display medical information based on FAAs Civil Aerospace Medical Institute (CAMI) medical records. You tell me how can a lighting designer be daltonic? If a question comes up about whether or not a pilot is qualified to hold an FAA medical certificate, the application itself usually does not contain enough information for AMCD to make a truly informed decision. While the bills in Congress to eliminate the Class 3 Medical Certificate are progressing slowly, the FAA is taking steps to minimize the bureaucratic red tape involved with certain illnesses, such as prostate cancer. Thus by forcing pilots to avoid medical treatment, in order to protect their medical certificate, the FAA actually promotes ill health and thus diminishes safety. I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. The 3rd class medical crosses the line where freedom is unreasonably denied in the pursuit of absolute safety. Crashing airplanes? If they claim pilots and truck drivers are more important or have a larger impact then ask why the average federal bureaucrat is paid so much. The only way to get information to them is via the USPS, another government agency stuck in the past. If you cannot read the serial number plate on the airplane that just flew by you then you should not be allowed to fly. I am working on my private pilot license and I was honest and admitted to an episode of seasonal depression treated with medication (which I no longer require or take). I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. Most of us fly for recreation and a burning fire within to fly, and the Sport program can be just the ticket. Few people have memory of everything diagnosed as a child, how many appoinments one has been to in the last 3 years, or even knowledge of what the doctor has put in your medical record. This is to screen for diabetes and kidney disease. It was a more difficult process than if I had done it 20 years prior. Before every flight (sometimes several per day) I self qualify myself THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS PIC!!! I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. You can mail or fax your request for aircraft records or Request Copies of Aircraft Records online. KL, I was always amazed at the high volume the Captains required. Wouldn't it be nice if, when you opened up Med Expres, all the information that you had included in your last application was there for reference. A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.) Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. The AME Guide explains that the question pertains to unexplained unconsciousness. It's safer to allow people to self-disclose and get help, rather than non-disclosure and possibly flying impaired. What does this mean? Taint worth messing up folks. That means, 1) applying for brand new medical, 2) taking the written exam (s) over; and 3) taking the check ride (s) again. I am going to start a letter campaign to ask the people who can make this happen (our elected officials), to get behind it and make it happen quickly. My first flightdoctor told me he was very happy about having pilots as clients. They want to approve, not deny medicals. So please just be honest you they are gonna find out about one day or another just like the case out in California back in 2005 for pilots lying about question 18y Medical disability benefits and many of them were in legal trouble. It is none of their business. You are assumed to be lying. Are they going to question my patriotism or mental stability? Thank you for the post. I was just having so much fun and I didnt realize just how difficult it was going to be. Never used my weapon except for training. Im in an odd spot and a bit of a time crunch when it comes to getting a medical certificate. However many of the folks you are asking are not quite so anonymous. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. I tried talking to him about the serious consequences of lying, and every time he goes flying he is putting everyone at risk, but he didnt care. It is a scam, a make-work project for administrators, and btw, doctors who make a practice of the bulk of business, which is 3rd class. Bluskye, the FAA does not have the personnel to handle things quickly.. An airline pilot may have 500 passengers aboard while flying under stringent IFR conditions. On the part of most pilots here its not lying. Bungee jumping. The Third Class is an absolute joke. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); All information found on medmg.org is intended for informational and educational purposes only. Of those, only a very small % are from medical causes. In short, the FAA doesnt check medical records unless they have a reason to i.e. And the FAAs restrictions regarding SSRIs effectively make it impossible for use by commercial pilots. Today with the revolution in the medical diagnostic procedures, and early detection system and timely treatment most airline pilots will qualify and pass the medical exam if the questions were not leading ones. Bottom line, you are better off disclosing to the FAA if you want a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class medical certificate. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. How come the standards are so different now? BINGO! Of course they do. Make the FAA do a special issue for every single pilot in the country. Would I report this or any depression on the 8500-8? In other words, bigger name on the other line. Yea if you got deep pockets to afford the tests you Probably dont need. The AME certified you as ok to fly, now the feds second guess him. With holding important information. Period. There, see you did lie on your medical didnt you. It does happen. The absurdity is having a major federal bureaucracy policing this incredibly low number of deaths. So the Medical certification system is statistically, virtually, perfector..redundant AS LONG AS you are in a multi-crew aircraft. One had sleep apnea that resolved with weight loss and the other no longer has type 2 diabetes. The regulations are not arbitrary. Most those fellas at the FAA seem pretty smart, but they must be pretty spineless too. If the FAA knew the real medical condition of most pilots, they would loose thier certificates too. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? Make a copy of the original and keep that in a safe place. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. Emmons wait until you have an episode of situational hypertension or have to see a marriage counselor. Doesnt this seem grossly out of proportion? I started flying and was completely awe-stricken. Why do we have a federal bureaucracy policing such a low number of casualties? Its not a profession which that college students wake up and decide they want to fly a plane. I was better off lying. should not fly. Headwind vs. Tailwind Whats the Difference? If you are stupid and want to wait months for a medical waiver. That may boost your chances of passing the exam or minimizing delays on the FAA's end. FAA Disqualifying Conditions: Bipolar Disorder. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. I took medication for years, before I decided I didn't like and chose to stop taking meds (with my parents). Unfortunately some do lie. in detail and conduct a physical exam. Theyll wait until a couple of major airline pilots go postal or have a seizure over the threshold and get the front page bold type, then overreact totally inappropriately, and far too late. If youre over 40 and your first-class medical is not renewed within six calendar months, itll revert to the privileges of a second-class medical for an additional six months. Id had apnea for several years, napped daily once or twice. Then we really would have a pilot shortage, now wouldnt we. 13. Now you tell me how sad it is when an idiot declares you have daltonism and denies you the ability to fly, so ruining your dream forever. I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. N.C., one does not have the right to lie to the feds investigating an illegal act. It only came after I got out of the loop and had the hospital send the info straight to OK. You know how we all type up our medical records now, at least they think so. So if there is cause, e.g a call to the FAA's hotline, an investigation will occur, and these will be seen and rather quickly. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. Fortunately with the airlines, there is always a second pilot capable of flying the plane. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. Coronary heart disease that has been treated or, if untreated, that has been symptomatic or clinically significant, Disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory explanation of the cause, A personality disorder that is severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts, Transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without a satisfactory explanation of the cause. Thats a good way to get into a LOT of trouble. I completely agree with you. Died of a massive heart attack. I know of several pilots who have useful vision in only one eye or have amblyopia that makes it impossible for them to pass the eye exam. Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. There is a good chance you can hide some minor medical problems or even some major ones that you recovered from years ago. Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. Thank you for the help. I am not an AME but am a flying physician with long experience chairing and serving on the EAA Aeromedical Council. Seek help, get punished? I live in the UK and the medical over here for a pilot licence, they dont do an EEG. My AME is my regular Doctor. What a great time you both will have. It is probably one of the most important benefits they offer their members. Increasing the gross weight limit of the Sport Aircraft class is a really good idea. This does not mean that the AME should ignore any disqualifying condition that you might have. Im not sure what I think about all this but Ill tell you my story. Anyway if your willing I have a ton of questions for you. I see a lack of evidence that this saves lives. At least three questions on the FAA medical application (Form 8500-8) can identify to the FAA that an individual potentially has a history of ADHD. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. before an incident so we know how to correct. I can only speak from my personal experience as a pilot with a special issuance medical. PERIOD. What are the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical? FAA doesnt. Many of the requirements for special issuance for example are redundant and simply bureaucratic paper chases. If you you diagnosed with some sort of Learning Disability like ADD,ADHD,OCD,LD it doesnt make a difference. File closed. We are equally desiring of our freedom, but because we are a small group, the bureaucracy can get away with it. Thats if they even decide to give you a medical waiver. Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). On the subject of medical self certification, read the announcement by the AOPA and the EAA. you say he flys solo whats it to you, Gee I fell out of bead a week ago and wacked my head I wonder if I should tell the FAA. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. On the other hand, the FAA medical system is complex, expensive, and difficult to support with data showing lives saved, etc. They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. I had to get TWO EKGs to satisfy FAA medical! Two of the pilots I know of with these problems have Class 1 Medical Certificates. FAA Current Detailed Clinical Progress Notes. Everyone should say they have been dizzy. I was STUPID enough to be honest. Even if you can disprove a legitimate history or diagnosis of ADHD (discussed further below), use of a disqualifying medication within 90 days of application will usually lead to a denial. Too little or false information could park a pilot on the ground'permanently'and lead to fines and jail time if authorities detect a lie or deceit. And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. I asked him why I had to jump through all these hoops if I could get a waiver. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. As a result, I had to take an EKG. We train for emergencies and stalls etc. Managing a flight department or want to offer a premium service to your club members or students. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. Ask those young people who posted personal info online and then got turned down for a job interview because of those posts they placed years ago. The FAA medical process makes it nearly impossible to comply with completely. But the standards are not different. I used to go up about twice a week; now I havent flown since August. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. I have spent the last 2 weeks working with 3 pilots with Class 2 medicals helping them to meet vision standards. When I was active duty Air Force we had a guy pass his medical and they drop from a heart attack the next day while sitting on his couch. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. If Im not successful, well, I will probably just put the dream to bed again. Society cares little about helping people with mood disorders beyond marginalizing them and throwing them into a risk factor category and dismissing their issues. The hypocrisy at the FAA hurts general aviation in lots of ways. Thank you for allowing me to share. What can some shrink tell me about myself that I dont already know? This is left bundle branch block which is a stop as far as the CAA is concerned. How is that fair? Willy post had only one eye should he have been grounded.??? Now that I have no further problems I have to take an Awake and Alert test annually. I found my regular doctor because I was looking for an AME. Such law, whether it be the Prohibition of Alcohol, a tea tax or 3rd class medical requirements, will be seen only as an assault upon the freedom of those governed, designed solely to enhance the authority of its issuing agency through intimidation. They are really convincing and will definitely work. You wouldn't report your dad or grandpa if he had a serious medical condition that could endanger his passengers and he was lying about it? Ultimately, a FAA medical denial for ADHD is almost never the end of the road for an airman. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? Counseling, HTN, whatever. I hope you realize a world that had perfect safety would be one not worth living in. Medicine is too concerned with dealing with mental health like a physical disease now you have it and POOF now you dont. The odds of a passenger catching Covid-19 on a flight and dying from the virus are less than one in half a million. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. Have you EVER been dizzy? Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. Driver licenses are not issued by the Feds. 'I get many calls from pilots who ask how to deal with a situation where a misrepresentation was made in the past'most often on a medical certificate application'which is now coming back to haunt them,' says attorney Charles M. Finkel. I mean no offense, but other adults telling another adult whether or not to disclose something on a medical just doesn't seem right. And maintaining a Commercial Driver License with some illnesses is more difficult than maintaining and FAA Medical Certificate. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! For what do you have special issuance? I lost my younger years flying and now the hoopes I have to jump through is unbeleveable.I really love flying but the government can take the privelage away its not right. Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. There are heart transplant pilots flying. That cost me about six months of flying. Bicycle accident deaths 700 Global misunderstands that Procedure codes, diagnosis codes and pharmacy codes were denied protections under to ACA of 2010. Never happens! I told the truth (that I had a very early-stage, very treatable cancer) and had my medical yanked. You are proceeding at your own risk. 45,000 Northern California pilots with current medical certificates Wow - are there really 45,000 pilots with current medicals in just Northern California? My guess is this would have been confirmed by and EEG. Nope, they requested an entirely new one. It sometimes gets people injured and sometimes gets people killed. My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. But then how would all the AMEs and some people in the FAA make a living??? And on the other hand we have people like the pilot mentioned in J. Mac McClellans article Too Many Risks in the May 2012 issue of Sport Aviation who out right lied about his substance use and abuse. There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. The relative numbers of fatalities in all of General Aviation (GA) vs those from other causes. My wife bought me some flight lessons for my birthday. Heres more information on the FAAs battery of neuropsychological testing: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/adhd/. Is Medical Coding The Same As Medical Transcription? How about an 83 year-old on medication for type II diabetes, depression, and senility taking medication for all 3 problems? Its about cooperating with your doc so you can keep doing what you love. Brian, you are right on about AMEs being able to grease the wheels for pilots with the FAA medical people. We can never win with you, only lose. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. Actually, in some years there are 0 attributed to sudden incapacitation, such as heart attack or stroke. then are able to re-apply. So why open a can of worms by telling the aviation medical examiner? I know this Pilot who has type 1 Diabetes which requires insulin injections daily, drinks alcohol every night, takes an antidepressant, and every afternoon gets the shakes. Please remember, he has a liability also. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. Does the FAA really pull your medical permanently? The list of silliness just goes on and on. So, instead of less regulation, we need more and along with that comes enforcement. All other patients was sick, so sick but pilots healthy, so healthy. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. Case in point: A student pilot I was familiar with crashed his aircraft into the runway and killed himself after being arrested for drunk-driving the previous night. The FAA has panels of civilian medical experts for each speciality who meet regularly to review the FAA medical regulations and recommend changes based on new research. Also, if I lose my medical, Id save a ton of money on flying and could retire a good 10-15 years earlier! see you in the cockpit!! I hid it from the FAA for 12 years They found out I didnt disclose it and revoked ALL my certificates ATP multi-single engine land, Commercial rotorcraft and glider as well as all my flight instructor certificates. Ones health does not distinguish between ones ability to pilot a 2 seater weighing 1320 lbs and a 4 seat airplane weighing 3500 lbs. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? No faxes or emails are allowed. They rely on that trust and the deterrence provided by the severe penalties at their disposal to preserve the integrity of the medical certification process. One DUI is not disqualifying. This exemption is exactly what I need to keep flying, and I am sure there are many others like me. One may invoke Fifth Amendment rights, but not outright lie. The problem with the medical certification process is that on the one hand the questions are so stringent i.e. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy I read a lot of threads on here about how pilot are getting caught lying on their medical applications. Port St. Lucie, FL 34988 You would not be alone, as there are many older pilots that fly with conditions that would disqualify them from getting the Third Class medical. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue They generally do not spend a significant amount of time reviewing each one. Telling the truth has cost me nearly 2 years of no flying due only to a late reply by my doctor and now I am walking away from my favorite form of relaxation, anyone want to buy my plane? I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! If they find any issues, they will ask for more information. :-) However, since I do really like flying, it does make one avoid looking too hard for problems. The flight will continue without further incident. How do I get a copy of my FAA written test? Is the time and expense involved worth it? Im sorry to hear that. There shouldnt be different standards. Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? - I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. But what happens when the FAA lies. If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. Funny thing is the murmur is gone but Ill never have my life back If you lie on your medical form Best of luck. Perhaps its not actually a lie, maybe just selectively forgetting something. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. 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